Former attorney for Citizens Against UFO Secrecy and now publisher of Pag-E-News.com, Peter Gersten spoke about the symbolism of 11:11, the winter solstice of 2012 and the current state of ufology. He referred to the Roswell incident as "a Trojan UFO," and said that something crashed there, but he believes it was advanced technology of terrestrial origin. He also cast doubt on the veracity of the Project Serpo reports that have recently come to light.

Gersten shared that on November 11, 1998 he was activated with new information, and shown a scenario involving planetary disaster followed by first contact. After 9-11-2001, he concluded that UFOs were only part of the picture. He also realized that the end of the Mayan calendar (due to take place on the winter solstice of 2012) would take place at exactly 11:11 on December 21st of that year. Our age is about to end, he said, as we are transforming from biological life forms into something more artificial.

Hoagland Update

First hour guest Richard C. Hoagland presented an update on the Japanese probe Hayabusa, which he called "bizarre and forlorn." Due to a computer problem the probe's return has been delayed, and Hoagland speculated on whether the malfunction could have been deliberate.

He also touched on Richard Branson's new venture Virgin Galactic and expressed curiosity about the underground aspect for the project's planned New Mexico spaceport.